|
TANGO!
Nov 11, 2008 20:17:23 GMT -5
Post by Seven on Nov 11, 2008 20:17:23 GMT -5
.... IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT ASILA! Or Molly...or whoever....*flush* *ehem* Ok, in loo of last night, on the cbox, doing a nonsensical rp in which I killed Asila with cuteness, and then other things happened, and.....and...and.... AND THIS IS THE PRODUCT!!! Ehem---Yes, that is me with Malevols. I was originally looking a bit more scared...except I then realized how similar the pose was to an Argentine Tango move. (You can still see a bit of the intimdated look though, but i think it makes sense *shrugs*) That, and I've secretly been hypothesizing behind Asila's back that Molly must be an amazing Tango-dancer. (He has pretty much every trait a good lead would have to have...) So now I get to show it! ;D Before anyone comments that skirt is uneven, and higher in the front than the back, and has a big slit, it's because it's an actual tango skirt--a handkerchief skirt to be percise. It's supposed to be that way. It'll make more sense when I color it. ...Some of you may be wondering why Malevolos doesn't have a shirt. *tries to avoid the topic* I think we're missing the fundemental question though: Do men really need shirts? What purpose do they serve? according the teh 2007 march article....[insert ramble here]. *frowns* Ok, here's the truth. One part me being too lazy to draw a shirt. One part not wanting to cover all the hard work I did when I drew the muscles (I hadn't really drawn his body before, so I couldn't just skip to clothes, I had to drawn him more detailed first.) One part...*sly grin* LIking it better that way. In fact, I hereby declare a new law on FF that all Malevolos's are banned from wearing shirts! There, said and done! *down comes judges hammer* I may put a shirt on him when/if I color it. For now, this is it!
|
|
|
TANGO!
Nov 11, 2008 20:18:14 GMT -5
Post by Pan on Nov 11, 2008 20:18:14 GMT -5
thats hot
|
|
|
TANGO!
Nov 16, 2008 19:41:48 GMT -5
Post by Seven on Nov 16, 2008 19:41:48 GMT -5
*grins* So I decided to make them a set. I love tango, so shoot me. i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/KiataSeven/tangotwo.pngi7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/KiataSeven/tangothree-1.pngSadly enough, after drawing these, I'm starting to feel like one of Molly's many conquests, lol! XD Oh well, I had fun with it. If you can't tell, the first one is supposed to be of Saika and Malevolos, back when they were passionately in love. I hope I didn't butcher Saika, but at the time, I was feeling too sneaky to ask for your advice as how to draw her. So, since she's a dragon and Chinese as well, I decided to opt to give her the same sharp, slanted features Molly has. That, and I decided to replace the traditional tango dress with a Chinese-esque one (it's not entirely Chinese, since I once remember you describing her outift as a mix of Chinese and Victorian on ADS. So I figured, if she could have that mix, why the hell couldn't she have a Chinese dress with an uncharacteristic open back? *shrugs*) The second picture....that's the dark cruel one I was talking about last night. Poor Evening! (I hope I did her hair right...) I was remembering her initial, terrible encounter with Malevolos, and I decided to see if I could translate that into tango. *grins* I'm happy with it. I personally like how Molly has her by the wrist instead of the hand. And for once, I managed to not entirely fail at hands, so it works! And once again, please ignore the annoying unclean look of the pictures. I still don't have a real eraser, and it's highly annoying. (P.S. Don't ask me what the hell Evening is wearing, I'm not sure myself. My best guess is some sort of leotard thing with skirt-pants underneath it....*shrugs*)
|
|
|
TANGO!
Nov 16, 2008 21:30:20 GMT -5
Post by Asila on Nov 16, 2008 21:30:20 GMT -5
All right, before I comment on the two new awesome pictures, I want to comment on the first awesome picture and a few of the things you wrote beneath it.
The first picture was really cute, and I really like your expression. You look so fearful and unsure, and the eyes are just beautiful. I like the expression in Molly's eyes, too. The look so unguarded and warm. It's so sweet, I just want to hug him!
As for whether or not Molly can tango...that seems kind of like a far shot, really. He would never spend so much time around humans, so the only way he could ever learn is if he spent time around a nonhuman or a group of non-humans who knew how. So suppose he could have learned at some point, and it is a cool idea
*grins* Learning how to tango looks really scary to me. I'd be absolutely convinced that my partner would lose his/her grip and I'd fall. Which would be humiliating. I think I'll just learn some form of martial arts and call it good.
Now, onto the new pictures! Saika looks really pretty. You did such a good job on her! I like the dress you designed, too. It's funny that you hate describing clothing but you can draw them so well!. About Saika's dress in ADS...I decided to be slightly untraditional about it because Saia is a spirit. Whenever she shifts into a human form, she kind of just manifests wearing whatever she desires. So she wouldn't have to stick to your standard kimono. And in this picture, Molly looks very confident. Almost arrogant. His expression really fits what his attitude would have been like back then.
And the last one, with Evening and Molly. I really loved this one. Molly looks so cool in his jacket, the pose just rocks, I love Evening's half-terrified, half-surprised expression, and yeah, her hair does look really good. I also like the way he's gripping her wrist instead of holding her hand. It fits the mood.
As for being one of Molly's conquests...well, I think you worry too much. He had lived a very long time; you could hardly expect to be the first! Still, his 'conquests' are rather few and far between, so it's not as though he falls in love with every female that walks on two legs. *cough*like Raven *cough* (All right, he just rapes every female that walks on two legs, he doesn't fall in love with them, but you know what I'm saying!) So you should feel special, because you are. *grins*
|
|
|
TANGO!
Nov 16, 2008 22:11:52 GMT -5
Post by Seven on Nov 16, 2008 22:11:52 GMT -5
Thank you for all your comments! You really do make me feel so special! I'm glad you like them. *grins* I had the most fun with the expressions in these set of pictures. And I just thought tango was such an interesting way to convey the feelings/events/moods. Sort of like watching a ballet that tells a story....except in tango of course! *grins* I realized that the chances of Molly having learned tango were slim (since he hates humans), but I really do think the dance is so characteristic of him. It's sort of difficult to explain my reasoning without you ever going to an Argentine Tango class, but it sort of has to do with the sheer force and power and leadership a man takes when leading. And because Tango is a 'walking dance,' and so often you've described how Molly moves like a predatory...well...there's a lot that goes into it, and for one, the milongeros (male tango dancers), walk so smoothly, so silently, yet with such conviction, it's sort of like watching a panther stalking prey. So of course this reminded me of him. Even if Molly doesn't know tango, I can't help but think he's the type that would pick it up in seconds, because the dance is so similar to his nature. *shrugs* Then again, he might have learned it, just because he's never really been a part of any clan, which means he's probably done quite a bit of exploring and might have picked it up from some other group along the way. *grins* Who knows, maybe he stopped in Argentina one day and got coerced into dancing with someone, lol!
And you shouldn't be scared of tango. All the dramatic dips are actually more of a show than the real dance (sure, they happen, but not so often.) For 99% of the time, you're actually holding your own balance, so you're never really depending on your partner to keep you up. Constant and real leaning is actually a myth, and more importantly, it's really annoying if your partner is putting all their weight on you, because it makes it difficult to dance. *grins* I just find it funny that you're afraid of falling in a dance, when in martial arts you're almost guaranteed to be tossed over someone's shoulder at some point.
Everything you pointed out really makes me beam---they're all the things I was trying to convey. From my unsureness (1), to Molly's confidence/arrogance (2), and Evening's struggle (3). And Molly's jacket/pose in 3. I had a fun time making it flutter. ;D I feel bad for Evening though, poor thing!
*laughs* I know, of course I'd never expect to be his first (that'd just be silly.) But Molly does have that sort of macho, 'I conquer all!' tone to him, and when you add charisma into the mix, well, that's just asking for trouble. Or a new Don Juan. So it's actually always surprising to me whenever you mention he has had only a few, so to speak. Granted, I don't expect him to fall in love with every girl, but I'd imagine he'd have picked up a more than a few one-night stands along the way. *grins*
*cough* Yeah, Raven did seem to rape everything that moved. ....*abruptly bursts into laughter* OMG---I just thought of a horribly awful crude, yet hysterical picture! *ehem* Anyways, thank you! I'm really not that special, but you make me feel that way! *hugs*
|
|
|
TANGO!
Nov 17, 2008 3:26:08 GMT -5
Post by Asila on Nov 17, 2008 3:26:08 GMT -5
The tango is a fascinating way to gauge moods! You are a genius for thinking it up! In fact, I think you could become a very famous artist if you could apply those ideas to the canvas. I'm sure your subjects would be very popular. Every romantic on the face of the planet would gravitate to your paintings, because these poses are so powerful. In fact, if I ever learn to paint the way I want to, I am going to enslave you and make you design such poses for me so that I can add all the finishing touches and become rich through the sales! *evil laughter* Really, though, can you imagine how each picture would look with appropriate lighting and symbolic color? They would be gorgeous! The very idea has me enraptured! *is seeing visions of these sketches as paintings applied to canvas by an expert hand*
Your description of the milongeros made me want to fall in love with one. Just thought that statement deserved it's own line.
Hmm, when you put it that way, it really doesn't seem so far-fetched that Molly would have learned to tango. He is definitely the type to wander, and he does secretly long to be accepted, to belong somewhere, even though he would never acknowledge the desire. So, if he crossed such a group, he would make the attempt to learn. And he probably would pick it up quickly. Unfortunately, it would be hard for me to have him sweep you onto the dance floor when I wouldn't have the slightest idea what I was talking about. Assuming that such an opportunity ever rose in the first place.
Getting thrown in martial arts is completely different than getting dropped or losing your own balance during a dance! In martial arts, getting tossed is a given. I wouldn't feel embarrassed. In fact, my blood would start to boil, and I would be that much more determined to undermine my opponent in some way. I would try that much harder to become the better fighter, and every setback would only fuel the desire. But dancing seems completely different to me. I know that if I fell, I would only want to slink off the floor and never return. I am so afraid of dancing that my fear is almost a phobia. I was so tense when you tried to show me how to swing dance, as I'm sure you noticed. I began feeling stupid and incompetent almost immediately after I started. And it doesn't help that practically every time I ever tried to dance in high school I always felt foolish. My friends loved to push me onto the dance floor, but they neglected to show me what to do. As though I could possibly know by instinct! I always knew immediately when I was doing something wrong, but I couldn't figure out for the life of me how to do it right! And then there was that incident where that one jerk mocked me. I stared at him until he stopped, but that instance still scarred me for life. I would much rather wind up in a fight than in the middle of a dance floor. At least I have quick reflexes and have faced violence before, so I would be able to hold my own in the fight. But on the dance floor, I am at a total loss and hyper-aware of the failing. My mind is just oriented toward fighting, because my number one goal as a child was to be tough. Girly things, like dancing, were for girls. And I don't think I really considered myself a girl when I was a kid. So I just never dreamed of dancing, didn't even acknowledge it, and even though I now like the look of dances like the tango or ballroom dancing, I just don't know where to begin. I don't move like a dancer. I tend to prowl, especially when I'm angry, and my style of movement just doesn't work for dancing. And whenever I try to move differently, I feel awkward and out of place.
All right, this is going to be rant number two. The topic being "Why Molly Doesn't Leave a Long String of Heart-broken Girls in His Wake as He Wanders the World in His Vagabond Fashion." He is definitely capable of doing just that. But here's the problem. He hates his mother. And not in that clean-cut, straightforward way one can hate an individual that isn't related to him. He hated her in that mess-with-your-head, I-hate-you-and-everything-you-stand-for-but-you-are-my-mother-and-I-would-do-anything-to-earn-your-pride sort of way. *so isn't talking about herself*... ... ...*swats at the stars* Aw, who am I kidding? I definitely know how much this can mess with your head. I hate my mother so much that my hatred of her messes with my life in the most round-about ways you can possibly imagine. In this case, my hatred of her weaknesses, of her tendency to just throw herself into a man's arms and surrender all responsibility even though the welfare of two children rests entirely upon her and cannot, should not, be entrusted to every man who passes through, interferes with my ability to form close relationships with members of the opposite sex. Of the opposite sex, for the love of god! This one person made me hate nearly every human being on the face of the earth for their flaws! Now, can you imagine how much more intense Molly's mistrust and disdain of the opposite sex is when the gender of the parent he hated so much happens to be female? This is a direct connection, and therefore even more difficult to ignore than my reasons for avoiding close relationships with the opposite sex are. Let me put it this way. As a general rule, men tend to marry women that remind them, in some way, of their mother. So what happens when you despise your mother? If you were a guy, you may very well hate women in general. Which is why he would be reluctant to fall under the spell of one. Yet he still longs for a woman's love the same way he would have longed for that of his mother. So the result is this. He is wary of the opposite sex and does not engage in idle relationships, but once enchanted by a woman the spell is powerful and impossible for him to deny. And once that tie to that love is severed, it leaves him devastated. So his path would cross that of the occasional girl who fascinated him to such a degree that he would risk the pain of heart-break to claim her for his own, but once his passion managed to backfire he would avoid women for years, until, once again, he crossed another girl for whom he would risk everything. But this would not happen often. In the course of his very long life he may have been involved with a large number of women, but he would have spent the vast majority of his life alone. Perhaps he would have loved twenty by the time Serena came into his life, but each love would have been separated by a decade or more. So he would be able to list the name of every single one. He would remember keenly the weight of their betrayal or loss. He is not one to participate in a large number of trysts, because he both hates, and loves, women far to much to engage in such 'degenerate' behavior.
Hmm, this makes me think that I have to up Saika's age a bit. I think she would have been fifty-nine when she first met Molly, but I think that would have happened at least twenty years ago, now. Whenever I think of those two together, I always feel as though a lot of time must have passed between then and now. I'll have to update both her age and her history before I bring her into DP.
*stares at Seven and wonders whether or not she wants to know exactly what this picture would be of* ...all right, you have to tell me what you were thinking. It's going to drive me crazy if you don't!
|
|
|
TANGO!
Nov 17, 2008 14:38:07 GMT -5
Post by Seven on Nov 17, 2008 14:38:07 GMT -5
Thank you! I'm glad you like the idea, but I doubt that I'd become so famous like you say. (For one, I need talent beyond drawing anime-ish people... And even that isn't in the style I'd like it to be.... *tear* ) And the only reason why the pictures would be powerful is because tango is such a powerful dance. And more so, I'd need to find clever ways to convey situations that go beyond the typical romance. *grins* But who knows, maybe as a team we could do it? I do love the idea of applying color to the pictures. I really have no experience in coloring beyond colored (and regular) pencils, and since I don't have those here, I'm at a standstill of only sketching.
Poor Molly, wanting to be accepted, but being to proud to admit it. I know the feeling. I can see why he wants to defeat humanity and hand the 'dominant race' thing back to dragons--so he can be accepted and have a family of some sort.
Sadly, at this point, it would be difficult for the two to end up dancing, just on the fact alone that Serena is now afraid of touching him. But it would be cute if it happened. As for description of tango, you needn't worry about it so much. You can always focus describing the mood of the dance rather than the going into detail about the steps. There's only a handful of things you'd have to know, which I'll try to sum up. For one (another reason I think Molly would like the dance), tango is really different from all other partner-dances, like swing and waltz. Those formerly mentioned dances (waltz, etc) rely purely upon having the proper dancing frame and knowing the correct steps. That means the man leads the dance with a little bit of his weight, but mostly with his arms to direct the woman. Tango, on the other hand, has no correct 'form,' and the 'step' is literally just walking (and eventually 'walking smoothly' once you get a feel for the style.) You see people dancing tango is any one of dozens of forms, from the A-shape, to erotically close, to a waltz-like distance, to completely open! And since there is no form and no steps, the lead has to guide the woman literally from his powerful movements and the shifting of his body weight alone. (And I've already seen he's done this, like when you described him leading Serena from the library to the bathroom from his 'distant touch' alone. That was EXTREMELY tango-like right there.) So essentially, tango is just walking. Walking that is synchronized and in harmony with the dancers. After that, all the extra things, like leading the leg wrap (see Saika/Molly picture) or dips (Evening/Molly) or anything else are just flourishes. But don't get me wrong. The lead in tango does have quite a bit of work to do. He must always remain mindful of the woman's comfort, and because tango is one of the most spontaneous, open-ended, improvisational dances, it can be difficult to lead. A good lead will do manage to keep the woman comfortable and secure (no falling over!), while staying to the beat of the music, while doing the flourishes that make the dance fun, without thinking about any of these things! (So he can enjoy the romance of the dance of course. Too much though tends to take away from the romance and flow. Personally, I don't know how guys can juggle all of that without falling over---it makes me extremely grateful for being a girl XD)
*grins* You're not the only one. I've already been having that fantasy for a while. ((<--Totally not any secret reason why I think Molly should be a milongero, no, nooo, of course not! *shifty eyes, cough* I'm totally NOT trying to subconsciously sway you into deciding Molly should be a milongero by posting loads of pictures of him dancing Tango! No, I'd NEVER do that! *more shifty eyes* ))
But of course, if you want to find a milongero, you're going to have to go to a milonga (place where you dance tango) and dance. Sometimes I think your biggest problem is that you create self-fulfilling prophecies, Asila. You're so sure that you're going to fail before you even begin that you become awkward and let it happen. I understand this issue of pride (which I'm starting to think is the most loathsome of all values...) that you're afraid of being humiliated by being dropped or looking funny or something, which makes you prefer martial arts. ((Not that there's anything wrong with martial arts, I think that's pretty cool too, actually. I remember growing up, I initially wanted to take a martial art of some form, and I held onto that desire for a long time, thinking dancing was girly as well. But at some point, I switched sides, and now I like dancing loads more than the idea of fighting. *shrugs* Maybe I just got sick of the notion of fighting in the end, since I dealt with it so much already, that I stopped caring about it or how useful it'd be in my life.)) I do remember trying to teach you swing, and I do remember you felt a little awkward in my hands, but I figured it was more because I had given you such brief instructions (like, less than a minute, remember?) rather than you being inherently bad at it or anything. I'm still sure I could teach you with a proper time frame (and your willingness, of course.) But really, you don't have so much to fear in doing partner dances. For one, it's always the LEAD'S (male's) fault if the dance is going poorly. This notion derives from the fact that a good lead is powerful enough to literally force their partner into the correct step. Second of all, it's actually difficult to lose balance. You are always balancing yourself, but even if you start to slip up, you ARE holding onto someone else, which does tend to help prevent any falling. (I, for one, cannot so much as walk in high heels, but I find them comfortable to dance in.) In any case, I'd be happy to show you whatever I know (which is currently pretty limited), as long as you aren't opposed to trying to learn.
*grins* The title you came up with for you topic made me crack up. It just sounds like the funniest thing ever. *grins* And just the idea of Molly as a vagabond is hot. I mean, I've always sort of known he was one, but actually reading the word "vagabond" makes it so much more insanely awesome, some how. Like I knew he did wander, but I hadn't really thought of him as a wanderer until you called him a "vagabond," which in itself is a cool word. *ehem* Anyways....Poor Molly! *hugs him* (Everything about him makes him so huggable!) That really sort of clears things up. While he has the charisma to win any number of people over, he has too many scars over his heart, and he's just as susceptible, if not more so, to falling in love and becoming heart broken. It's so tragic! *more hugs for Molly* ...*pauses, more hugs for Asila* Yes, we both know so many of Molly's experiences are based on yours. And it's sad....*still holding on, starts to grin* I think I should just perpetually hug you or something. Then you CAN'T feel sad! *giggles* ....though you might become annoyed...XD
*giggles about the 'woman hating bit'* It's funny that you should mention that though. I've noticed that in DP, Molly has only targeted woman, so far. So when he brings back Evening, I was planning on a bit Serena's feminism coming out as she points out the clear lack of male hostages, and defiantly asking if he's a woman-hater of some sort. *snorts* That should be amusing.
*nods* That'd be a good idea. Otherwise, it sort of implies that Molly's issue with the murdered dragonet, the massacre of the human town, Saika's banishment, and his break up with Saika happened just a few months ago. And that worked for ADS, where Saika's punishment was going to school, but here on DP, it would make a lot more sense if Saika was older now, considering everything you've just said about Molly's nature concerning women and love.
*bashful* Are you sure? It's really sort of weird. But as I was typing my response to Raven being an uber-rapist, the mental image of it just popped in my head and amused me in some way. Ok fine, here it goes.... We mentioned that Raven tries to rape anything that moves, no? (Ok, I realize it's supposed to be any FEMALE that moves, but my mind altered it a little...) The image my mind formed was Raven on one of Molly's legs (poor Molly!) like a small, horny dog. ...Because Raven really does have the same habits of a small, horny dog. And Molly is something that moves. ;D There, I hope you're adequately disturbed.
|
|
|
TANGO!
Nov 17, 2008 21:31:02 GMT -5
Post by Seven on Nov 17, 2008 21:31:02 GMT -5
Sorry I didn't give you a chance to post, but I've spit out another one. *grins* I haven't drawn this much in a while! i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/KiataSeven/TangoFour.pngAre you done looking at the picture? Good, now read below. *grins widely* And how could this be a set without the most important female in Molly's life? The one who invented him! (Don't tell him I said that though, ok? XD) I thought you both deserved a much needed break from your daily loathing and rage at the world and it's cruelties. That, and I you two are always squabbling with each other, so I thought it would be nice if you got along for once. A Truce. For once, I wanted you to both look happy and at peace. *grins* So I went ahead and made it so! I hope you don't mind, XD This time, I opted to do tango with a touch of waltz-like frame to it, to make it a little bit more innocent, light-hearted and friendly. And I added Edwardian-esque clothing....because it's hot. ;D (What? I wanted you to both look pretty!) So yeah, that most of it...I think. *is probably forgetting a lot of other things she wanted to say. Oh well*
|
|
|
TANGO!
Nov 17, 2008 23:59:17 GMT -5
Post by Asila on Nov 17, 2008 23:59:17 GMT -5
I'm going to reply to your last post first, because I really want to talk about it. So don't get confused! I'm still going to comment on a few things from your previous post after I'm done gushing over this one.
You really have been drawing quite a bit, lately! I'm so proud of you! And insanely jealous of your talent. I haven't drawn that much in the span of my life! I always get mad at my pictures. *makes a face* Honestly, there is just no hope for me. But you, well, you are really onto something with this series of pictures. They really are striking. And they almost make me want to learn to tango. Almost. I'll elaborate on that comment later.
Now, as for this last picture...Seven, you are a genius. I love how you arranged your sentences and the placement of the picture to lead me on. I played right into your hands on that one. And I was so surprised when I realized that the girl was actually me. And touched. I never would have imagined myself dancing with Molly like that, actually cooperating with him for once. Once I recovered from being awed by the beauty of the idea, I realized I should make it a reality. I need to pledge a truce with my dark side. If I can completely stop bickering with the poor thing, I would be much more confident. And I know this is true, because I've begun to test it. And every time I lift my head and stare people down when I feel they are being unkind, every time I think "Oh, screw them. As though their opinion makes a difference." I feel so much better. And this picture kind of brought that feeling to life for me. It made it real. And while my mind was making that connection, I was absolutely speechless. *shakes her head* I want to say so much more, but I'm having trouble trying to harness the thoughts. They're too new.
Really, this picture is beautiful. So incredibly beautiful. *awed beyond words*
Some day, I'll have to shade/color these pictures. But I think I'll botch them. *frowns* I really should just print them off and finish them. The practice would be good for me. Honestly, I was being unfair to myself when I let myself feel disappointed over failing to shade the Molly pic the way I wanted too. I've had so little experience with shading in human faces that I was an idiot for thinking I would get such a complicated combination of shading and lighting right. *gives that insecurity the middle finger* ...but I don't want to take over your pictures. You sound like you want to color these, and I'd hate to steal the opportunity away from you. ... ... ... Did that make sense? *is doubtful*
Whoa, the tango sounds like the coolest dance ever. I'll have to look for a chance to have the Molly dance with you. It may never arrive, but I can hope! *crosses her arms defensively* Really, though, I'm wondering if this is a dance that I could learn. But first I'll have to figure out how to walk in high heels. I swear to god, I almost fell down the stairs this Halloween when I wore a pair. My ankles kept wanting to twist, though I blame the high heels. They were the type that you just slip your feet into, as opposed to the kind you strap on, which I had fewer problems with. But I don't know what happened to that pair. They kind of disappeared, though I bet I know who took them. *is thinking of her sister* And you should have heard me walk. I was about as quiet as the horses in a parade. It made me miss my tennis shoes. A lot. And I don't think I've ever walked backwards in high heels before...*continues to ramble on in this fashion*
Well, if you were trying to coerce me into making Molly a milongero, you're tactics were flawless. I couldn't think of a better way to convince me than the one you chose! Now I think Molly would be so much cooler if he was one. Perhaps he learned so that he could impress one of the girls he had fallen in love with. It would be entirely like him.
Hey! Leave me and my pride alone! It's all I've got! *defensively hugs Pride* Besides, I really struggle to put a stop to my self-fulfilling prophecy addiction, but I'm not going to succeed until I gain more confidence. And like I've said before, that takes time. I've really had to build it up from nothing. As for the idea of meeting a milongero, I doubt there are any good ones around here. Perhaps in Madison or Milwaukee, but my grandparents wouldn't want me to drive so far. Especially not in my beater car that refuses to stay fixed for over two days now that it's crapped out on me. If I could take classes with you, I would. Doing something alone only makes it seem scarier, and since I'm already frightened by the idea, trying to suppress my fears and go alone would just be asking for trouble. As for getting sick of fighting, I feel that way about half the time, too. Just bone-deep weary of the futility of it all, because fighting never solves anything. But I seem to go from this mood to the other extreme, which involves an intense desire to just destroy things. To make the world regret it's decision to torment me. And I think that channeling that energy into martial arts would be good for me. But back to the tango. I have to wonder exactly how much trouble I would have trying to let the guy lead. It would bug me a tad because I don't like the concept of letting a guy have any form of power over me whatsoever. Depending upon who I was paired up with, I would either get over it or nurse the grudge for all eternity. That one could go either way so easily, and it would all depend on the attitude of the guy I was stuck with. And if he bugged me for whatever reason, I wouldn't want to give up on the dance. And since I have no faith in people, I am convinced that this is how it would turn out. It's hard for me to believe that I might end up with an exception to the rule. So yeah, I really am skittish over the idea. I might let you teach me what you know about dancing some day, but not until I've stopped convincing myself that I'll fail at it.
*thinking of milongeros again* You know, I think that if I were a guy, I would just love this dance. Assuming I could get over the macho thing long enough to give it a shot. I'm bad enough as a girl, I think I would be a sexist nightmare if I were male. And I would have one hell of a temper, too. My anger can be so powerful now that I can only imagine how powerful it would be if the flames were fueled by testosterone. I think I would have tried to kill Ron a few times and would probably lead a life of crime. I just know it. But I would be the kind of bad boy that girls fall for! *grins* Still, I think I was born a girl for a reason. Definitely. Or maybe I underestimate myself? It's hard to tell.
As for Molly and Saika, yeah, I did arrange things as I did so that the idea would work for the site, but I was having problems with that soon after. It just didn't seem to work. But now I'll get to change it! *cheers* And I need to give Molly and age, too, now that Sparky's timeline for the Thirteen isn't around to muck things up. I wonder how old he should be...does he seem five hundred to you? Or three hundred?
*laughs at the idea of Raven as an annoying, leg-humping dog* Oh, that's wonderful! That's such a funny idea, Seven! I'm going to end up giggling over that mental image in the middle of some class. My mind tends to wander off on me and then return with mental images like that one.
|
|
|
TANGO!
Nov 18, 2008 10:53:32 GMT -5
Post by The Imfamous AKA on Nov 18, 2008 10:53:32 GMT -5
Sorry to interject in your long, appreciative rant, but has anyone else noticed that Molly gets more dressed each time you draw him? It drew my eye and I wanna know if it was intentional or if my psych classes are turning me into Freud.
|
|
|
TANGO!
Nov 18, 2008 12:58:44 GMT -5
Post by Seven on Nov 18, 2008 12:58:44 GMT -5
*blinks at Aka* Wow....*looks at pictures* By Watson, you're right! ...If you go in reverse order, he's getting more undressed, I suppose you can also say. ;D *ehem* As for an answer to that interesting question you posed.... No, it was accidental. At least, I think it was accidental. Right? Maybe...I DON'T KNOW ANYMORE! *laughs* Well, if we're going to get into Freud, we could argue that while my conscious mind did it unintentionally, I subconsciously meant to do it. *grins* Or I guess he's dressed according to whichever girl he's with. Like, he can't be too erotic with Asila, since that would be like, being incestuous--with yourself! ... or something....*shifty eyes* And if he was less dressed with Evening, it would look like rape, rather that just ordinary kidnap. As for why he's more dressed with his ex-gf, Saika....*grins widely* I suppose I'm subconsciously possessive! *grabs Molly and holds onto him fiercely* MY SEX SLAVE! *laughs* I don't, maybe you are turning into Freud. So what's your Freudian analysis of the fact that he's getting more dressed as pictures progress?
*now to reply to Asila's appreciative rant, as Aka so cleverly phrased it*
*grins widely* I'm so happy you got the message! I felt wary about saying it out right, but I knew how much happier you'd be if you weren't always fighting with yourself. I mean, sure, it's comical whenever 'Molly' decides to throw 'Asila' into a cage, or when 'Asila' writes 'Molly' into a horribly hysterical situation in the c-box, but that's besides the point.... *grins* I actually had the idea to entitle the picture "Truce." Or "Peace." Because they are the things I am hoping you can make with yourself. I've been wanting to say it each time you end up depressed, but I effectively tongue-tie (or rather, type-tied?) myself and leave FF feeling I've only made matters worse. So since I'm so helpless with words (and am also still in lack of a way to phrase everything I'd like), I wanted to draw it, and show you. It's my favorite picture out of the set, and I'm glad you like it.
Thank you for the compliments, once again, but no, don't feel scared of coloring them in. I'd love to see that actually, and I don't think you'd blotch them. And no, you wouldn't be 'stealing' the opportunity away from me to color them or anything like that. You fail to realize that I have two sketchbooks worth of things I SWEAR I'm going to color, and never get to. Sketching is more forte, and while I do enjoy coloring, I can't help but feel it's not going to realistically happen. *frowns* That, and I like these pictures enough that I'd be afraid of screwing them up by coloring them badly. I might opt to color the scans I've made sooner or later, but digital coloring is so different from traditional means that your rendition and mine would hardly be the same picture. And you know how much I'd love to see whatever you color, I can only imagine you'd improve it. *grins* So go ahead, be my guest! My picture is your picture.
*grins* You know I'd love to dance with him. Never say never! Remember just a few posts ago (in DP), when 'Serena' betrayed him, you mentioned that he might never trust her again? While I'm not entirely sure of what goes on in his head, I don't think he's necessarily mistrustful of her now, considering how things played out. So you never know. And I like tango so much it'd be hard to pass down the opportunity. *shrugs* I might convince myself I ought to allow myself a little fun while I 'have the chance.'
And yes, tango is the coolest dance ever. Seconded by swing. Possibly Swango, which is apparently a mix of the two, but I can't say anything on that since I've never tried it. *grins* Sadly though, the Argentine Tango circle is relatively small. Not a lot of people do it, even in Chicago. Le Roomie is about 10x more obsessed with it than I am, and goes to Milongas many times a week at all different places in Chicago. She noted that most of the people at each milonga she went to were the same as the people she'd met at other milongas. It's sad---especially when tango is so cool it should be a prerequisite to life itself. XD You don't actually have to wear high heels (I know I certainly don't every time I dance ;D) to dance. While high heels are the 'appropriate' foot-wear because they force you onto the balls of your feet, I've seen plenty of girls dance in flats. If you do that, just remember to shift your weight to the front a little. Problem solved. Well, that one at least. Getting you into a milonga/class itself might be work. *frowns* Maybe if you come to visit, we can head to Chicago and go to one there. *looks at Aka* You're invited too of course!
*takes a bow* Thank you, thank you... I'm glad you liked the idea.*grins* That would work for part of his back story. Especially considering he was traveling so much. Maybe he crashed into a band of gypsy non-humans in Spain, or South/Central America. Or anywhere really. Maybe they temporarily adopted him into their society, and he ended up with a crush on the most desirable girl/dancer. ....Damn! Now I'm tempted to draw him with a random gypsy girl! Look what' you've done! *laughs*
Well, the way I see it, Pride works both ways. There's nothing wrong with having pride in terms of self-confidence and assertiveness. But I tend to dislike Pride when people become closed-minded because of it, because open-mindedness is a value I cherish so much. That, and I often see people fighting their inner feelings/desires/etc on account of 'Pride,' which I feel is wrong, since you're essentially fighting yourself for stupid reasons. *grins* It's funny that you mentioned now liking to be in some guy's power. I had the same feelings about all partner dances a few years back when I began swing. I didn't like the idea of being 'submissive' to anyone. Yeah, dancing is sexist, in a sense. But I got over it because I found I enjoy the sensation of dancing more than I dislike some of the connotations. Besides, as I found out, there are plenty of opportunities to learn lead (as I did with swing, since there were never enough dumb boys...), and many times, guys learn how to follow, and sometimes couples switch roles just for fun. (*grins* Roomie actually told me something pretty interesting about tango. Apparently, in Argentina, where the dance is taken so much more seriously, guys will actually ONLY dance with other guys in private until they become good enough at the dance that they feel ready to dance with a woman. It sort of macho in a weird turn-about way, but it also makes it out that leading a woman is an honor they have to earn with skill.... *suddenly laughs* I just got the mental image of Molly warily dancing with another guy trying to learn, while looking around shiftily so no one would see this embarrassing situation, because he does seem like the type of guy that would want to it perfected before asking a woman (much less his crush) to dance.) That, and anyone who does dance never really considers themselves as having an 'actual' power of their partner. It's a silly notion, since you can pull away from your partner at any point. *grins* You could even say that women have the power, since they are agreeing to be lead, and if they so choose, they could refuse to go along with it, and make the guy look idiotic. But that's not the point---the point is to move in harmony and enjoy the dance (and sometimes the dancer...*smirk*)
*grins* ....So....you're essentially saying you'd be Molly if you were a boy? lol! XD You know, I've always thought I might have been better off as a boy as well, and that I could have won the affections of many girls, but for the opposite reasons that you mentioned. I think I would have been a cool guy because I am so mellow, extremely romantic and chivalrous in the sort of way that romanticized 19th century gentlemen are often portrayed, and I tend to have many hobbies/interests that girls find themselves wishing more guys would partake in, like dancing. But I tend to think I think more like a guy than a girl, though sometimes I see this a moot point since everyone thinks differently in the end. *shrugs* I don't know, at least I'd like to think I'd make an interesting guy, maybe I've just gotten vain because Pan and Aka seem to love all the guys I invent. *looks at Aka* Would I make a good guy? Or at least an interesting one? I have to comment on the crime bit though. I also romanticize a life of crime, but it's not wrath for me, its thieving, cat-burglaring, and over all, being a suave master mind. Anyways, if you think you'd enjoy the dance as a boy, you'd probably enjoy the dance as a girl too. Hell, you can always just learn the lead's part--there always seems to be a lack of leads, so it's not uncommon to see one girl dancing with another. That, and I know that once you know the lead, the partner step is pretty easy to pick up on. You're just doing the same things, but backwards.
I noticed. I noticed how you also conveniently didn't give Molly an age on ADS, XD. I'm glad you can fix it now, both Saika and Molly. I've been wondering how old he is. It's difficult for me to say though. Especially since you're in control of the Draconian myths in this rp. Part of me thinks that Molly does seem sort of like a younger dragon, but somehow 300 seems almost spring-chicken-ish. I say this because you mentioned once that only few dragons managed to master all the elements in less than 200 years, so making him 300 would only give him the advantage of one more century. He might not have been making plans for world domination at such a young age, fearing he didn't have enough power yet. But then again, he is extremely ambitious, so it's possible that he felt himself capable to take on the world (with the 13 *cough*) at this point. 500ish might be fitting for him, but then I wonder if that's too old. Like he's been wasting time meandering for 150 years or something, and only NOW decided to move. *shakes head* I'm not sure. Maybe something more in the middle. *frowns* But I don't like 400-numbers! They're so boring and un-Molly like! Granted, he'd have to be in the 400 range at some point in his life, but 400s suggest such timidness, such mellowness, such, 'please don't rape me!' and everything Molly is not! ......I'm going to stop my babble about my completely off topic, random mathematical/personification synesthesia now... *coughs* *shifty eyes* Maybe he'd do well as 385?
You know, now that we're on the topic of age, I'd also like to say something about Serena's age. I originally made Serena 17 so she could be in high school and attend ADS, so it would work with the plot. Now I'm wondering if I should make her a year or two older, like I actually am (19---bleh, I still can't believe it. It usually takes me a year to let the fact that I turned a year older sink in. And by the time I get used to it, I turn another year older! *grins* I remember when we began rping together, I was 18 and still considering myself 17, so it worked. Now I'm 19 considering myself 18! lol! ;D) Maybe I'm making too much of an issue out of it. It's just that I wrote her as having 'just turned 17,' when in all reality, since people grow so rapidly in those teenage years, I imagine I'm more of an '17, about to turn 18,' or even '18 about to turn 19.' But then I need to change the ages on Shiku and Sceatto, since they have to be older than her. *frowns* Actually, I don't know what I was thinking when I put them down as 17. They really should be at least 20. I think I was getting so distracted by their past story-line, that I was trying to make this new adventure of theirs fit in correctly with their established time line. I'm going to have to change that...
*laughs* It certainly made me laugh when it jumped into my mind. Poor Malevolos! I can only imagine him with the startled, horrified look on his face as Raven humps away. A snapshot of him before he's overwhelmed with fury and disgust. I might have to draw that situation chibi (as a realistic version of that might just be disturbing...)
|
|
|
TANGO!
Nov 18, 2008 13:41:57 GMT -5
Post by The Imfamous AKA on Nov 18, 2008 13:41:57 GMT -5
Okay, that's a bit much even for an obsessive rant-reader like me...
|
|
|
TANGO!
Nov 18, 2008 14:05:45 GMT -5
Post by Seven on Nov 18, 2008 14:05:45 GMT -5
*frowns* I didn't write THAT much! Besides, only a portion of it was directly directed at you! And you still never responded to what your analysis of Molly progressively dressing means! ....Speaking of rants, Aka, what other ones have you been reading. *pokes her*
|
|
|
TANGO!
Nov 18, 2008 14:26:43 GMT -5
Post by The Imfamous AKA on Nov 18, 2008 14:26:43 GMT -5
That rant, not including the part addresses to me, is longer than my fourth paper for my English Comp class. 2,007 words is long, darling.
Not ever having any real exposure to Molly, I wouldn't be able to tell you what it means, thanks.
|
|
|
TANGO!
Nov 18, 2008 14:37:18 GMT -5
Post by Seven on Nov 18, 2008 14:37:18 GMT -5
*blinks* So? That's not that long.... .... Shut it! That's the average length of posts Asila and I write to each other! ...Sometimes... And it only took me an hour or so....
|
|